On Friday, President Donald Trump went to Long Island, NY, to talk about MS-13 — a brutal transnational gang that’s active in the U.S.
Fox News host Tucker Carlson dedicated a good portion of his show to the topic.
To discuss MS-13, he invited on Daniel Altschuler — Managing Director of Make the Road New York — an immigrant rights group.
During the interview, Altschuler suggested that Trump isn’t just going after MS-13, but all illegal immigrants.
“What is happening right now is that the president would like to paint immigrants as criminals. The problem is that what the data suggests is that immigrants are much less likely to commit crimes than native born Americans,” Altschuler said.
Carlson fired back, “I know you want to give your speech but I’m asking you about MS-13. You don’t like the administration’s position on illegal immigration, I get it, and that’s fine. But MS-13 preys on people. There’s a reality at the bottom of this. Hold on. There’s a reality.”
He continued, “And I would think that you as someone who claims to care about immigrants would at least acknowledge the reality, which is, that MS-13 preys upon immigrants. They’re not going after me or you, they’re almost entirely going after Salvadorian immigrants, a lot of them illegal, and extorting money from them and in some cases killing them.”
Carlson pressed Altschuler. “So why is your position that it’s bad to crack down on people who are tormenting immigrants? I’m totally confused.”
Altschuler acknowledged that there is a “public safety issue.” But he said that the problem came from neglecting immigrant communities, not the threat that MS-13 poses.
Altschuler then claimed that Trump wants to tear mothers from their children. Carlson followed up, “Who is a bigger threat to immigrant families? The president or MS-13?”
“The president without question,” Altschuler said. Carlson told the activist that his assessment was “grotesque.” And the interview just got more explosive from there.